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Theresa
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Can you help me ID my loach?

Post by Theresa » Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:51 pm

Hello!
First off, I am from Austria, would consider myself fluent in English, but am not sure whether I know all the specific aquarium vocabulary, so be easy on me please. :)

So... a couple years ago I bought a bunch of loaches as Pangio anguillaris but research made it clear that they are actually Pangio oblonga. Doesn't really matter, still cute, and they were all the same anyway. So I thought!

I have 15 of them in a 200 liter tank together with 10 Trichopsis pumila (Pygmy Croaking Gourami). In the beginning one of them was thinner than the others, I just thought he/she is younger. Now however, 2 years later, I can't deny the difference anymore. That one loach is still thinner than my oblongas, but longer! The oblongas are about 8cm, I'd say the unknown one is about 10cm.

Here is a picture of the stranger, to the right you can see an adult Pangio oblonga, the difference is obvious.
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It is neither malnourished (always the first at the feeding!) nor a male.
However even the behaviour is slightly different. While the oblongas race the whole tank all day long, the thin one will spend its whole day in and underneath this piece of wood, you can even see its head to the right of the stone:
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(glass not cleaned, I know...)

Also, it moves extremely serpent-like and it is a lot more flexible than my others. The oblongas wouldn't obtain such an S-shape for very long, but he/she seems comfortable with staying like this a lot.
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Now I am a very experienced fishkeeper (19 years of experience) but hardly know anything about loaches. In fact these were the first and only ones I had in my "career". I did go through the Pangio database, but found none that would match mine. It seems the body shape of all Pangios is fairly similar, so it's mainly the extreme slimness that irritates me. Or maybe in the end it isn't a Pangio species at all? But that's where I need you experts. :)

Not that it actually matters. Neither will I ever get it out of there nor would I find somebody with a group of these. But it's merely my curiosity that would like to be fulfilled.

Thanks, guys!
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Re: Can you help me ID my loach?

Post by mikev » Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:19 pm

It is an Pangio anguillaris on the left and Pangio oblonga on the right in the top photo.
(you can tell anguillaris from other thin kuhlis by the lateral line)

The body shape is indeed different, p.oblonga have 2x the diameter! So you fish looks just fine for the species.

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Re: Can you help me ID my loach?

Post by Theresa » Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:38 pm

Is anguillaris very diverse in color then? When I search for them online they all appear to be silver-greenish. Mine however has the same cinnamon brown coloration as the oblongas! That's what basically confused me.

Also, I am not too sure on the head shape...

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Re: Can you help me ID my loach?

Post by mikev » Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:37 pm

Yes, there is a color variability. Look at the profile here and see that one of the photos shows brownish and the other is silver.

But read the entire profile: this species is likely a complex of related species and perhaps one day the color will mean a newly described species.... but for now, it is p.anguillaris ...

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Re: Can you help me ID my loach?

Post by NancyD » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:07 pm

I agree with Mike, p. anguillaris or maybe p. cf. anguillaris. Look on the Main site, there are some brownish ones. They have pointy noses compared oblonga's more rounded face.
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Re: Can you help me ID my loach?

Post by Theresa » Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:55 pm

Alright, thank you very much guys!

Now I kinda wish I had a group of those. My mom already finds the oblongas creepy because they are so worm-like, what would she think of an anguillaris food massacre then? :twisted:

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Re: Can you help me ID my loach?

Post by mikev » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:10 pm

not too difficult to find generally and in fact Aqua Global has them now (well, at least their catalogue says so).

http://www.aqua-global.de/

ZC80 Dornauge, gebändert Pangio myersi (kuhli)
ZC812 Schwarzes Dornauge Pangio oblonga 5-7cm
ZC82 Aal-Dornauge Pangio anguillaris 5 cm

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Re: Can you help me ID my loach?

Post by Thomas » Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:05 am

Hi,

For me it looks more like a doriae than an anguillaris. It is to less mottled for an anguillaris. And it has the doriae typical dark snout.

Cheers,
Thomas

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