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Post by Kitishane » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:58 pm

I really LOVE his response to chefkeith's comment:
neoprodigy wrote:what is the "best" for fish? :rolleyes: are they meant for living in a tank? :rolleyes:

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Post by angelfish83 » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:59 pm

Some Guy Said: Instead of all this very childish whining and name calling why don't all of you contact neo and give him some sound advice?

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Yes. That would be much more reasonable than coming in here, on your first post ever on this forum, and suggesting how a group of people you've never met should comport themselves and what their course of action should be. Much more reasonable indeed. ;)
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Post by chefkeith » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:00 pm

H3D- that's already been done from my side.

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Post by Hurricane Charlie » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:02 pm

Kitishane wrote:I really LOVE his response to chefkeith's comment:
neoprodigy wrote:what is the "best" for fish? :rolleyes: are they meant for living in a tank? :rolleyes:
And I sort of agree with him to some extent. Some people go way overboard with their fish.

However that tank of his is hideous.
Charlie

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Post by H3D » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:26 pm

angelfish83 wrote:Yes. That would be much more reasonable than coming in here, on your first post ever on this forum, and suggesting how a group of people you've never met should comport themselves and what their course of action should be. Much more reasonable indeed. ;)
What can I say? I like a dramatic entrance. :mrgreen:

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Post by nic » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:53 pm

i wonder if it is more jealously talking and i have concluded that some of you need to get lives you are bashing somebody healthy well cared for fish wich will be moved to a larger tank when needed. and you guys can ban me after this or say what you want. but get some lives and worry about or own stuff. and martin Martin Thoene
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As far as I'm concerned, most of the people on Monster Fishkeepers just turn the hobby into an aquatic p*ssing contest. This guy's just trying to up the ante.

I find it all quite childish actually.

Martin.

i think you are the childish one. monster fish keepers is for
those of us who want to go to bigger and better fish. basically you guys either need some porn or women or just worry about your selfs. bunch of internet P*SSYs

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Post by nic » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:59 pm

Martin Thoene wrote:I think there's absolutely no doubt this guy has seriously got the technicalities of maintaining large aquaria down pat, but has zero idea of ethics or plain common-sense. It's clearly a case of someone with more money than sense.......and no idea of aesthetics or fish's psychological requirements.

Or a blatant disregard for most of the above.

:evil: Martin.

jealous you dont have the money to do things like that is what this whole thing sounds like

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Post by angelfish83 » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:01 pm

Ok.... Wow... Alright...
Well,

No we aren't jealous of poorly planned overstocked aquariums, which are commonplace on monster fish keepers...

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forum ... 1162466833

Like that for example...

There is a difference between a nice big 250G tank, with a reasonable number of fish in it, of any size, and abhorrid things like that where everything's smashing into everything else, nothing has space to rest or to hide or to display its natural behaviour.

There is a difference between keeping something alive and keeping something properly.

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/12071197 ... 3847xUxfFr

Here's another one.

Bare bottom, bunch of loaches, cowering in the corner...

It IS a pissing contest for these people. Their photo lounge is subtitled "after you upload your photos you can show them off here"

You yourself came in here and said "oh well you guys must be jealous"

If I could afford 300 gallons, 25 oscars 38 clown loaches 30 tinfoil barbs an ID shark and 52 datnoids, I still wouldn't do it, because its stupid.

While you guys are at it, why not put stickers on your tanks that say "This tank ain't the only thing that's massive around here ;)" as seems to be the case from you guys' photos and attitudes towards fishkeeping...

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i wonder if it is more jealously talking and i have concluded that some of you need to get lives you are bashing somebody healthy well cared for fish wich will be moved to a larger tank when needed. and you guys can ban me after this or say what you want. but get some lives and worry about or own stuff. and martin Martin Thoene
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As far as I'm concerned, most of the people on Monster Fishkeepers just turn the hobby into an aquatic p*ssing contest. This guy's just trying to up the ante.

I find it all quite childish actually.

Martin.

i think you are the childish one. monster fish keepers is for
those of us who want to go to bigger and better fish. basically you guys either need some porn or women or just worry about your selfs. bunch of internet P*SSYs

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For those of you who don't understand 14 year old internet troll, allow me to translate this into more easily understood vocabulary:

Hello. I'm 14 years old and I have lots and lots of money which I haven't really learned to appreciate the value of, nor do I wish to. I have a six hundred gallon aquarium in my basement and the wheels on my car cost as much as the car did. Since I'm so much cooler, richer, and more worthy of existance than any of you middle class trash and your tiny little middle class aquariums, I thought it'd be fun to come in here, insult a man four times my age who I've never met and say he's childish, and call you all a bunch of fools. I'm going to go swim in my pool of money now. Ta-ta.
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Post by nic » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:18 pm

why else would you upload your photos if not to show them off think about that

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Post by angelfish83 » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:21 pm

nic wrote:why else would you upload your photos if not to show them off think about that
Ahhh. You poor soul-less rich kid you... :roll:

We upload photos of our fish for many reasons, occasionally to show them off, sometimes to see if they are acting properly, to compare growth rates, patterns, environments, feeding notes, to show eachother our fish's antics, to augment our knowledge of fish species and their propagation... etc etc

Oh- and when we do 'show them off', we don't rub them in other people's faces. There's a difference between saying "hey check it out man I got that new car."

and

"Ya... 473 ft lbs of torque my friend... Bose stereo.. ... Yup. Had those chrome 20" rims put on there after market... $14 000, but nothing's too good for my baby"

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Post by nic » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:28 pm

1 im not a soul less rich kid i work my ass offf and make a comfortable living. from where i came from and what i have i consider it an accomplishment
2 i dont know many people like me that have gone out of there way to help more strangers.
3. most people on mfk show the fish they got not post the price or brag what they spent or how much is tied up in there collection we 2 are there to learn and share our knowledge

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Post by Martin Thoene » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:31 pm

Nic. I'm sure there's some absolutely fantastic people with healthy fish in excellent setups that are on that website.

I cannot be jealous of something I do not aspire to. HAD I the money that some of these setups must cost, I would use it to create something that was pleasing to the eye, took into consideration the fish's natural environment, and stock it in a reasonable manner that allowed room for the fish to grow substantially.

The most I would keep in a 180 gallon tank is the Clown Loaches or maybe two (only) Datnoides. Which means your statement about them being moved when necessary means he needs 25 x 180 gallon tanks NOW for the Dats.

Personally, I'm not interested in the Dats, so that leaves the Clowns who would live in a sand bottomed tank with multiple hiding places provided by rockwork, driftwood, etc and I would grow plants on the driftwood, so as to provide the fish with the security of shelter which is one of their basic needs.

It's not about jealousy, it's about ethics of animal husbandary.

And the mere fact you even mention anything to do with the money involved shows me exactly where your priorities lie.

We're not going to ban you for speaking your mind. You're entitled to your opinions as much as I am to mine. I think you can see though that you're up against somewhat of a wall of resistance here because most of us here happen to have more consideration for our fish's total well-being than just giving them clean water in a glass box.
i think you are the childish one. monster fish keepers is for
those of us who want to go to bigger and better fish. basically you guys either need some porn or women or just worry about your selfs. bunch of internet P*SSYs
I think that paragraph is what's known as shooting yourself in the foot :?
It just reinforces my original statement which I stand by. Thank you for the confirmation of what were only my suppositions.

Martin.
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Post by nic » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:32 pm

o and i would be considered middle class

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Post by nic » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:42 pm

dont compare my keeping to others my only bare bottom tanks have rays in them my collection of loaches is split between a 45 65 and 120 gallons all are planted with drift wood. and before you say im rich again cause of the tanks i have i got most of them used. and shot myself in the foot that is what the site was meant for people who had large tanks with large fish.

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Post by chefkeith » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:54 pm

nic- maybe you could help neo with his tank then.

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