Here ya go, i present to you 125 gallons of loachtopia!!
About to add ammononia and Dr. Tims One and Only.
The wife added the black trash bags to the back, after me being indecisive about painting the back. It looks good. Turned on both the filters (110 aquaclear) but will lower them and add foam prefilters tomorrow. Added Seachem Prime at the appropriate quantity.
Filled the tank with my python, gotta admit its awesome.
This picture does not do the tank justice! Thank you all so much for your suggestions, i trust you'll see it here
The only thing I'd suggest is to actually have vertical coverage. You'll be surprised how much bottom feeders like going up when there's actually something to explore...
How do I create this? I love Bas suggestions of emergent plants and intend on planting some out the back so their roots hang down into the tank. The room is poorly lit for plants, but I know some plants that will love it regardless. Aside from that I have a hard time visualizing structure near the top that doesn't clutter the bottom even more from the support.
Happy fish keeping!
As for vertical set up you may need different wood or more wood and you can even do some large anubias like angustifolia type or barteri var. barteri that would grow as high as the tank There are smaller anubias versions you can attach to the wood for visual aspect and also bucephalandra is quite nice planted the same way. As long as the light in the tank itself is low, which the loaches would prefer, such plants would do great and bottom feeders do like to go up exploring if there was something to explore...This would also make them feel more secure instead of having empty open space above..
You could use wood, or stones, to reach the surface. Using stones, use either a large flat piece or large round ones, but never pile more than 3 high.loachnoob wrote: ↑Fri May 18, 2018 9:04 pmHow do I create this? I love Bas suggestions of emergent plants and intend on planting some out the back so their roots hang down into the tank. The room is poorly lit for plants, but I know some plants that will love it regardless. Aside from that I have a hard time visualizing structure near the top that doesn't clutter the bottom even more from the support.
Therefore, you will need rocks being more than 1/3 of the waterheight, and always start on the bottom NOT on the sand. A large boulder will easily dig itself in
building with boulders does take practice, as a cichlid keeper, I started doig this some 20, 30 years ago, and sometimes the result is still nothing
Right or wrong here's what i did tonight:
Did a maintenance 50% water change on the 55, topped off the 125 with some of the dirty water from the siphon. Washed both Aquaclear 70 mechanical filter sponges out in the 125 - holy cow they were filthy! Been a long time since I've done that. No doubt I seeded some bacteria in the process. I also added some large pre-intake sponges to the 110 aquaclears filters intakes inside the 125. They're black, but ugly and HUGE. As you can see in my initial picture there wasn't any, they were just late to ship. I also lowered them down more so they're in contact with the substrate now - I didn't want the basic intakes sucking sand. I also dumped 3 or 4 ounces of an API bacterial product I had just sitting around, no idea if it was even viable.
Based off Dr. Tims "fishless startup" One and Only I should see ammonia starting to drop (started Wednesday), and tonight I was suppose to redose ammonia but the level is still too high. (2ppm) Oh well! No rush, I hope it'll start sooner than later. Admittedly I'm not impressed with the promise the product made. I hope tomorrow I'll see that ammonia start to drop based off cleaning the filters from the other tank into the 125 tomorrow.
Regarding the upper strata and adding structure, I'm definitely going to add some emergent plants, probably common philodendron since I've always found it to be tough as nails. Its root structure should get pretty large in the tank for the loaches to explore. I saw another local fish store using it a few days ago and was impressed with the root wad in the tank. Plus we can decorate the wall outside the tank with the foliage as it grows.
Most importantly, I'm still thinking about the final community. I've shopped so many stores and the selection really stinks around here. Yoyos in the fish stores always look like crap to put it bluntly. I can't even begin to explain how bad they always look. This species must be VERY poorly handled in shipping or something, and consequently the fish stores always have fish knocking on deaths door from Ich or some other disease I'm not recognizing. A lot of loaches I first killed were yoyos, and it probably wasn't my fault directly. As Diana mentioned they are bullies, and my biggest one is just that. I love him and his little brother, but he chases everyone else so I'm rethinking adding anymore. One store always has quality kubotias, which I figure I'll add another 4, bringing the total population up to 10. I won't do this until I move the 6 out of the 55 to the 125 to free up quarantine space. The 2 golden zebras (if that's what they are) need a few more friends. Petco, of all places, gets them regularly and their 1" tops when they have them. I figure I'll add 3 maybe 4 to the quarantine tank, once the 125 tank is cycled whenever that happens. I've been thinking a lot about the striata. I have seen them at a LFS but there isn't a consistent source. A few of you have spoken highly of them. I'll ask the manager if they could get me 5 or 6. When I did see them, I wasn't in a position to be able to add them to the tank so that is what is is. Lastly, the first loach I ever fell in love with was kuhlis (before I found out about botias) - the orange and black striped guys. I would like to add a few of those, maybe 4 or 5. Based off what I've seen at many LFS, I'll never see them with the sand.
So.... help me evaluate the numbers on the high end. Am I stocking to much, considering I want think tank under stocked for water quality parameters?
6 golden zebras
2 angel fish
I'm in no rush, and as always thank you for your responses!
Personally, I don´t like such commercial preparations, but opinions can differ
Selection right now is just clown Loaches, single kubatai Loach (they seem to post another one up as soon as the current one sells) and 3 dwarf chain Loaches.
Divers den fish ship out of Wisconsin.
There is also the fish from the regular section of liveaquaria that ships out of California. This is like ordering from a wholesaler. They have a bigger selection of fish but you don't get to see individual fish pics. They also don't do a quaratine procedure.
Both sections offer their 14 day guarantee which is what got me try them in the first place. (I had two clowns die after 2 days from and LFS and I hated how I was just out the money, plus I hated that the fish died.) All the reviews I've read of liveaquaria say they refund or reship as promised if the fish arrive dead or die in the 14 window.
The only negatives are shipping is expensive unless you spend $99+. When I ordered I found an additional 15% off coupon code just googling for one. Others complain that the prices are high but that's how they can afford to guarantee the fish. The prices are equivalent or even better in some cases compared to LFS for me but prices are high in Chicago.
The other option I heard is good is "The Wetspot" in Oregon. I haven't personally ordered from them but the reviews I've read are good. They have a HUGE selection of fish. The shipping is $40 if you want a DOA arrival guarantee. The fish are cheaper than liveaquaria but you obviously have to factor in shipping.
Is that LFS in Hammond indiana any good? It's one of the few in the area I haven't been able to check out. I've visted most of the stores in the Chicago area and I think I'd only buy from 3-4 out of the ones I've visited.
Not sure, I don't make out that way very often - it's about 2 hours from home. I'm in the NE part of the state. I respect the fact LFS in my area keep less expensive, sterotypical run of the mill fish. Skunks seem to be circulating my area right now - no interest in them. Thanks for the online recommendations. Last time I ordered fish online it was cichlids and they were amazing. This has been a long time ago. Best demasoni I've ever seen, period.
Yup, that was the "plan." The irony here is just like you, I too, am a huge skeptic of viable bacteria that comes in bottles. I only had two options, either throw in dither fish (and risk some nasty disease) or try the bottled bacteria. At this point I kinda wish I just threw in some goldfish and had let them funk up the place. Dr. Tims initially was fast to respond to my questions via facebook but they have since went silent.
I picked up SeaChems Stability today. Up until this point I've loved all their products (Prime, Excel, Flourish) so I'm hoping this is the ticket.
I did a 35% water change last night with the python. OMG, what a game changer - no buckets! Tonight I'll test the tanks parameters and probably start dosing Stability. Keep in mind, I've also washed out both my tank filters mechanical pads and added one seeded biological substrate bag to one of the filters to the new 125 filters.
.25 ppm ammonia
.5 ppm nitrite
10 ppm nitrate
Yesterday was 2ppm ammonia and 0 on nitrites/nitrates.
I suspect ill go to 0 ppm ammonia tomorrow at this rate. Should i add more ammonia tomorrow if thats the case???
Now, I can just start to drain with the python. Then, ehike it's doing that I syphon water into the buckets to rinse out my sponges or media. I can even speed up draining with the other syphon but I haven't felt a need to do so.
Filling takes awhile if I do a 75-80% change in my 125g but at least either the python I can do stuff with my phone or watch TV while it fills up.
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