Tank:
PH 7ish
Ammonia 0
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 30ish
55 Gallon (ya, I know)
Partially planted
Fish:
2 small clowns
1 kubotai
2 cory's
2 dwarf gouramis
a few live bearers
small school of tetras
Hi, new here. I saw a couple spots of ich on one of the live bearers, took out the clowns immediately, and set up a quarantine for them. I figured I would need to treat the whole big tank so it would be easiest this way.
I read the sticky at the top of the page and did a big water change and put in a half dose of rid ich. I also put in a half dose in the quarantine with the clowns and cranked it up just past 86 degrees. The next day pretty much everyone in both tanks had a spot or 2. I waited a full 48 hours and did what the sticky post said. It's still not better and I'm worried about my Kubotai and my other freshwater fish that are still in my big tank. Everyone is still eating and acting normally. They are not totally covered, but it seems to be getting worse not better. The Kubotai is flashing and seems pretty miserable though. So here I am 5 days into it and wondering what to do.
I guess my big question is can my Kubotai survive in the hot quarantine tank with the clowns?
If so, I'd like to move him over as well and then salt the big tank. They can pretty much stay in quarantine indefinitely since it likely will not cycle because of a big sponge donated from friend's established tank. It also has good water movement, power filter, aeration, etc. It should only be 2 or 3 weeks before I can get the salt levels near 0 with no ick, then everyone can be one big ich-free happy family again.
What do you think of my plan. I've been busting my brain hard on this dilemma and having nightmares about waking up to dead fish. I could use an advisement. A little consolation couldn't hurt either.
Kubotai and Ich - Can he handle 86?
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Hi 'zone
Ich follows a life cycle that you seem to have caught just as the population is exploding.
It sounds like a good plan to me to separate the fish that can handle different meds and medicate separately.
Ich can be killed at lower temperatures. If the temperature in both tank is the same move the Kubs over, then try raising the temperature 1-2* (F) or 1*C per day. Increase the aeration in the tank by adding a powerhead, bubbler or other method. (Sounds like you have this covered). If any of the fish hang out near the surface, seem to be gasping or gulping air, then lower the temperature a degree or two.
Ich follows a life cycle that you seem to have caught just as the population is exploding.
It sounds like a good plan to me to separate the fish that can handle different meds and medicate separately.
Ich can be killed at lower temperatures. If the temperature in both tank is the same move the Kubs over, then try raising the temperature 1-2* (F) or 1*C per day. Increase the aeration in the tank by adding a powerhead, bubbler or other method. (Sounds like you have this covered). If any of the fish hang out near the surface, seem to be gasping or gulping air, then lower the temperature a degree or two.
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Happy fish keeping!
Happy fish keeping!
Hello, and welcome to LOL,
About 5 or six months ago I purchased 5 kubotai. Soon afterward, one of them started breathing very quickly. I assumed he had ich in his gills and started increasing the temperature. I kept the tank at 90 degrees for about two weeks. I lowered the water level so that there was a lot of splash.
All five of my kubs are alive and healthy today.
Hope all goes well with yours.
About 5 or six months ago I purchased 5 kubotai. Soon afterward, one of them started breathing very quickly. I assumed he had ich in his gills and started increasing the temperature. I kept the tank at 90 degrees for about two weeks. I lowered the water level so that there was a lot of splash.
All five of my kubs are alive and healthy today.
Hope all goes well with yours.
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Hi,
I have only had ich one time since I've been taking care of my own tanks (knocking on wood) ... since something like 1990, and it was recently! Anyway, I have a tank that was only about 6 weeks old, and the values were really similar to yours!!! The Ammonia was 0, the Nitrite was 0, and the Nitrate was 20. So, it was almost done cycling, but not quite.
Then I was thinking I might see one spot on one fish before I went to bed one night, but it was so small I couldn't tell if it was a teeny air bubble or ich. Then in the morning, I had 3 or 4 fish that each had 1 or 3 spots. I hadn't had a fish with ich since I was 12 years old and my mom took care of my fish tank!
So, I decided that since it was so mild, and I was catching it early, I would raise the temp just a few (2) degrees - not sure if it did anything or not. Then I did a small water change and used Prime to dechlorinate the water - it also neutralizes the Nitrate (also ammonia and nitrite - keeps ammonia in form biofilter can use so you don't crash your biofilter though). I followed the directions and put more Prime in than just for dechorinating, enough for detoxifying ammonia (even though there was just nitrate). I figured that perhaps the nitrate was stressing the fish and decreasing their slime coat - making them more likely to get ich.
Within 4 days the ich was gone from all of the fish. It's been 2 weeks now, and there is still no sign of it. I'm sure it is "still" in the tank, but the fish's immune systems are stronger because the biofilter is completely cycled now and all of the levels are at 0 now.
Anyway, I never medicated, just took away the cause of the stress. I did BUY the medication, so I would have it on hand, just in case.
Oh, FYI, the fish that had it were one clown loach with 1 spot, and the rest were mollies that had between 2 to 3 spots that I could see on their bodies. The dalmation mollies could have possibly had it, and had more - LOL! Anyway, everyone is all well, and removing the source of the stress really worked for me. It might help a lot, in addition to the medication for you.
I have only had ich one time since I've been taking care of my own tanks (knocking on wood) ... since something like 1990, and it was recently! Anyway, I have a tank that was only about 6 weeks old, and the values were really similar to yours!!! The Ammonia was 0, the Nitrite was 0, and the Nitrate was 20. So, it was almost done cycling, but not quite.
Then I was thinking I might see one spot on one fish before I went to bed one night, but it was so small I couldn't tell if it was a teeny air bubble or ich. Then in the morning, I had 3 or 4 fish that each had 1 or 3 spots. I hadn't had a fish with ich since I was 12 years old and my mom took care of my fish tank!
So, I decided that since it was so mild, and I was catching it early, I would raise the temp just a few (2) degrees - not sure if it did anything or not. Then I did a small water change and used Prime to dechlorinate the water - it also neutralizes the Nitrate (also ammonia and nitrite - keeps ammonia in form biofilter can use so you don't crash your biofilter though). I followed the directions and put more Prime in than just for dechorinating, enough for detoxifying ammonia (even though there was just nitrate). I figured that perhaps the nitrate was stressing the fish and decreasing their slime coat - making them more likely to get ich.
Within 4 days the ich was gone from all of the fish. It's been 2 weeks now, and there is still no sign of it. I'm sure it is "still" in the tank, but the fish's immune systems are stronger because the biofilter is completely cycled now and all of the levels are at 0 now.
Anyway, I never medicated, just took away the cause of the stress. I did BUY the medication, so I would have it on hand, just in case.
Oh, FYI, the fish that had it were one clown loach with 1 spot, and the rest were mollies that had between 2 to 3 spots that I could see on their bodies. The dalmation mollies could have possibly had it, and had more - LOL! Anyway, everyone is all well, and removing the source of the stress really worked for me. It might help a lot, in addition to the medication for you.
Michele
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nurseshelly
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Hi,
I have only had ich one time since I've been taking care of my own tanks (knocking on wood) ... since something like 1990, and it was recently! Anyway, I have a tank that was only about 6 weeks old, and the values were really similar to yours!!! The Ammonia was 0, the Nitrite was 0, and the Nitrate was 20. So, it was almost done cycling, but not quite.
Then I was thinking I might see one spot on one fish before I went to bed one night, but it was so small I couldn't tell if it was a teeny air bubble or ich. Then in the morning, I had 3 or 4 fish that each had 1 or 3 spots. I hadn't had a fish with ich since I was 12 years old and my mom took care of my fish tank!
So, I decided that since it was so mild, and I was catching it early, I would raise the temp just a few (2) degrees - not sure if it did anything or not. Then I did a small water change and used Prime to dechlorinate the water - it also neutralizes the Nitrate (also ammonia and nitrite - keeps ammonia in form biofilter can use so you don't crash your biofilter though). I followed the directions and put more Prime in than just for dechorinating, enough for detoxifying ammonia (even though there was just nitrate). I figured that perhaps the nitrate was stressing the fish and decreasing their slime coat - making them more likely to get ich.
Within 4 days the ich was gone from all of the fish. It's been 2 weeks now, and there is still no sign of it. I'm sure it is "still" in the tank, but the fish's immune systems are stronger because the biofilter is completely cycled now and all of the levels are at 0 now.
Anyway, I never medicated, just took away the cause of the stress. I did BUY the medication, so I would have it on hand, just in case.
Oh, FYI, the fish that had it were one clown loach with 1 spot, and the rest were mollies that had between 2 to 3 spots that I could see on their bodies. The dalmation mollies could have possibly had it, and had more - LOL! Anyway, everyone is all well, and removing the source of the stress really worked for me. It might help a lot, in addition to the medication for you.
I have only had ich one time since I've been taking care of my own tanks (knocking on wood) ... since something like 1990, and it was recently! Anyway, I have a tank that was only about 6 weeks old, and the values were really similar to yours!!! The Ammonia was 0, the Nitrite was 0, and the Nitrate was 20. So, it was almost done cycling, but not quite.
Then I was thinking I might see one spot on one fish before I went to bed one night, but it was so small I couldn't tell if it was a teeny air bubble or ich. Then in the morning, I had 3 or 4 fish that each had 1 or 3 spots. I hadn't had a fish with ich since I was 12 years old and my mom took care of my fish tank!
So, I decided that since it was so mild, and I was catching it early, I would raise the temp just a few (2) degrees - not sure if it did anything or not. Then I did a small water change and used Prime to dechlorinate the water - it also neutralizes the Nitrate (also ammonia and nitrite - keeps ammonia in form biofilter can use so you don't crash your biofilter though). I followed the directions and put more Prime in than just for dechorinating, enough for detoxifying ammonia (even though there was just nitrate). I figured that perhaps the nitrate was stressing the fish and decreasing their slime coat - making them more likely to get ich.
Within 4 days the ich was gone from all of the fish. It's been 2 weeks now, and there is still no sign of it. I'm sure it is "still" in the tank, but the fish's immune systems are stronger because the biofilter is completely cycled now and all of the levels are at 0 now.
Anyway, I never medicated, just took away the cause of the stress. I did BUY the medication, so I would have it on hand, just in case.
Oh, FYI, the fish that had it were one clown loach with 1 spot, and the rest were mollies that had between 2 to 3 spots that I could see on their bodies. The dalmation mollies could have possibly had it, and had more - LOL! Anyway, everyone is all well, and removing the source of the stress really worked for me. It might help a lot, in addition to the medication for you.
Michele
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Update...
The Kubotai is doing fine at 86. Unfortunately, even with my due diligence, I lost the bigger of my 2 clowns today. I was so bummed out to put my dear Bob in a baggie to be thrown out with the trash. Zippy (clown) and Mickey (kubotai) are in much better spirits that Bob was, so hopefully they will recover. t's been almost 2 weeks with ick and it's still hanging around. Sadly enough, Bob was my first, and hopefully only, loss thus far.
On another note, I have a full grown cory cat that thinks he is a clown loach. The cory loves Zippy, and the cory is good enough for Zippy to buzz around with if there isn't another clown.
The Kubotai is doing fine at 86. Unfortunately, even with my due diligence, I lost the bigger of my 2 clowns today. I was so bummed out to put my dear Bob in a baggie to be thrown out with the trash. Zippy (clown) and Mickey (kubotai) are in much better spirits that Bob was, so hopefully they will recover. t's been almost 2 weeks with ick and it's still hanging around. Sadly enough, Bob was my first, and hopefully only, loss thus far.
On another note, I have a full grown cory cat that thinks he is a clown loach. The cory loves Zippy, and the cory is good enough for Zippy to buzz around with if there isn't another clown.
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Dang, I just lost the other clown tonight. The Kubotai is very lively and running up and down the bubble wall. He still has spots on him, so I will continue treating. The other fish all look clear except a bit on the lyretail mollies. I did buy some equipment for my tank, so I will be better equipped for clown loaches in the future. I picked up a 400gph Hydor Koralia powerhead and I'm setting up a good quarantine tank. I also picked up Caribsea inert gravel, which I haven't put it in yet. I'm going to cycle it in another tank and put it in later. I'll be waiting a good while before I pick up more loaches. I don't want to experience this again!
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