Thank you for information of the goldfish street.
Reacently,We can go to Hong Kong more cheaply than the Japanese domestic trip.
The price of the Hong Kong trip by the cheapest day is 120 dollars!
Hi plaalye , wasserscheu , NancyD.
May be "artratus" > "atratus".plaalye wrote:I bought these as "stiphodon ornatus" along with some "red neon stiphodon" males. The males are possibly stiphodon artratus?
Stiphodon of 30 species are registered with FiseBase at present.
But,unfortunately it is only S.percnopterygionus that I can say a scientific name with confidence.
I think the Stiphodon of your picture to be female "Orange Fin" as well as wasserscheu.
In Japan, it seems to be spreading to call the kind "Orange Fin" stiphodon.
However, their fin is not orange all the time.
I display below some female pictures of "Orange Fin" that a fin is transparent.
Their fin gradually becomes the orange as familiar with a water tank.
I spoke it before, but, according to the DNA analysis of Dr. Mukai, this "Orange Fin" may confuse two species of the close relation.
I may do similar confusion in "Blue Moon" and "Rainbow Color".
The variability of their color of the body is very intense.
Therefore it is difficult to judge a close species from a delicate difference by observation only for appearances of the short time.
I am not limited to Stiphodon, but I think that the identification of the species of the creature should be finally made by DNA analysis.
If there is time, I will introduce genealogical tree of Stiphodon by his DNA analysis that Dr. Mukai showed.
I could need some help with identification of this Stiphodon sp.
It was imported from Moluccan islands, Indonesia, tradename Stiphodon cf. birdsong. Actual size is about 6 cm, maybe they haven´t reached max. size yet. They are showing intensive territorial behaviour. Not every specimen shows the orange band as intensive as the one in the photos, but they haven´t settled in right now.
Real S. birdsong max. size is about 2,3 cm refering to fishbase. Looks like there is not much information available about this freshwater goby.
I found a similar goby here:
http://www17.tok2.com/home2/tarogoby/ph ... _a_09.html
but unfortunately I can´t read the text / signature - is anyone able to translate?
Thanks for your help in advance...
I just got three. Mine are also very territorial with each other. Don't seem to eat algae/aufwuchs like the sicyopterus and stiphodon. Their mouths are much different. Definitely predators. Mine just hang on the glass and wait for me to drop in food, and chase each other away.
Here's an old thread I dug up from petfrd.
thank you very much. The fishes shown in the above link do indeed look like the ones I have photographed.
On the other hand, here we can see Sicyopus jonklaasi aka "Lipstick goby" which looks different to me:
http://www.slendemic.com/easl/fish/other%20fish.html (at the bottom of the page)
In this case the name fits even better...
In the meanwhile I also found a thread here... Graeme Robson shows a very similar - if not the same - goby as "Sunset goby":
http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php ... c&start=30
They are splendid photographs.
I think the fish is Sicyopus genus,too.
http://www17.tok2.com/home2/tarogoby/zu ... kaeru.html
http://www17.tok2.com/home2/tarogoby/zu ... _tope.html
However, the identification of the scientific name is difficult.
There are many fish classes which can change the color and the design of the body intensely in goby department.
Therefore, it is difficult to judge it to be another species only with the difference of the color and the design of several pieces pictures.
Furthermore, their distribution is wide and the border does not become clear, too.
Because they have a habit to fall down to the sea after incubation promptly.
In late years the rate of the DNA analysis falls steadily.
It will become clear in the near future.
thanks for your help and input, especially odyssey and plaalye!
So, all in all we can´t be sure, but most probably it is either Sicyopus or Lentipes (according to Ron Watson). So I´m sorry I hijacked this thread about Stiphodon with a non-Stiphodon species
Therefore I wouldn´t care if this part is moved to an extra topic (if possible).
Don´t hesitate to post any news from there - would be great - thank you!I also posted pics on yahoogobygroup. There are a few goby taxonomists that weigh in with their opinions on occasion.
@Matt: Hey buddy, good to know you are around, I have to stop by SSF anytime soon
Here is a thread from another forum. Tony Gill ID'd them as s. jonklassi but I think he just had a quick look. I've reposted my pics and asked again for an opinion.
"Several Sicyopus are similar in appearance and coloration. The one photographed appears to be Sicyopus exallisquamulus Watson & Kottelat, 2006.
I don't know Ron? I've searched for s. exallisqualmulus(say that 5 times fast ) with little success and no pics. Anyone heard of it??
thank you for letting us know.
>I don't know Ron?
The only Ron I can imagine knowing how to distinguish Sicyopus exallisquamulus from other similar gobies would be Ronald Watson, one of two ichthyologists who described this species in 2006 ;-)
So this guess may be as close as we can get, judging from photos only.
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