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Hi guys,

I just uploaded quite a number of pics of Borneo Sucker, Gastromyzon sp.

here are some of them...











there are more pics of them here http://picasaweb.google.com/borneosucke ... directlink

Enjoy the pics guys

And in addition, I did some simple water parameter test in their natural habitat, you can view the results at my blog >>> http://borneosucker.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... ucker.html

Regards,
BorneoSucker

Very nice, excellent pictures! And a big thanks for the water parameters. In my opinion the usual recommendations are a bit low for Gastromyzons, 20-24C.

hi borneosucker
thank you for the mail. good to have more pictures.
now: the species is monticola, even if not all details fit perfectly with the description of tan. taking in account that the pattern is changing from juvenile to adults and addtionel colour in the fins - red in the caudal fin - occurs with other species too.
first you thougt there could be a second species with stripes, me too. but that seems to be due to the variability of the species. once again.
as I mentioned before monticola has been bred 2001 in gemany. as it seems just once. I'll try to get in contact with the breeder.
about the water parameters: the three parameters are the essentials. did you take them at the indicated spot at about 750 m?
@ janne I don't think so. the temperature average is 27° all over borneo, water temperature 2-3° below; from 50-1400 m and during all seasons. so conditions can change, that's normal. the scale is open. for the tank: 19-24° is good, but as we normally have temperature control it would be one temperature for the year. but it would not be indicated to take the parameters of boneosuckers and reproduce them for al fish-lifetime. I have tanks wihout heating, the temperature goes up and down. others wth constantly 22° etc. just in order to find out what makes them go for breeding. I guess it's not the water-parameters.
cheers charles

That is a stunning fish Charles and some great info

Hi, borneosucker.
Also give my best regards with future.

Wonderful pictures and information!
I'm moved.

I like Borneo island very much.
I was also going on a trip to Borneo in this March, but a river rose in the rainy season, so Gastromyzon couldn't see.

http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php ... highlight=

It was possible to see the view I wanted to see.
I'm waiting for more a lot of Bornean information.
I think I probably travel to Borneo again.

Does Gastromyzon eat cucumber!
I'll try right away.

Thank you very much.

What a beautiful fish!
And thanks for the water parameters. Its always good to know the conditions in which these fish are found.
One of the things we seem to have found over the years is that the Gastromyzons tend to come from warmer waters than the Chinese hillstreams.
I tend to keep all my hillstreams (Gastros, Chinese Species, and Sewellia) in the 75F (24C) with some flucuation, which seems to work for all. The Chinese species and Sewellia have spawned and the Gastros thrive.

Hi guys,

Thanks for they reply and comments.

Hi Janma:
You are welcome, haha I did all I can to measure the parameters. Hope it helps

Hi Charles:
Sorry Charles, I don't know the actual altitude of the location. But after refering to Google Map, it's around 200m...I took the water parameter at the location I caught the suckers.

Ahh....finally it seems to be Gastromyzon monticola afterall...Cheers

Hi Mad Duff:
Thank you for your comments

Hi odyssey:
Hajimemashite Odyssey san...thanks for the comment. Haha, the date you mention you came to Borneo, I was in Peninsula Malaysia. Wow, you went to quite a lot of places in Borneo yea? Nice...but no Gastromyzon eh? Next time?

Hi Jim Powers:
Thank you for your comments , well that's the least I can do. Haha, I hope nobody will ask me for more detailed water parameters, as I don't have those advanced instrument to test water

Thanks a lot guys, will be planning my next outing....for another different Gastromyzon species.....

Cheers to you all,
BorneoSucker

I'm in lust! Beautiful fish!! Thanks so much for the local info Borneosucker. Very very interesting! Any chance you could put a few of those in the mail to the US??

plaalye wrote:I'm in lust! Beautiful fish!! Thanks so much for the local info Borneosucker. Very very interesting! Any chance you could put a few of those in the mail to the US??

Thanks for the comment
Haha, if you could guide me how to go thru some procedure, maybe possible. What I'm concern most is legal documentation and in what way is most appropriate...

Selamat malam, borneosucker. Terima kasih!

borneosucker wrote:you went to quite a lot of places in Borneo yea? Nice...but no Gastromyzon eh? Next time? (

Next time! I certainly watch Gastromyzon kinds.

I introduce my experience about the water temperature of Gastromyzon.
I think G.Zebrinus is weakest in low water temperature.
The usual water temperature of my tank is set as 26.5 ℃ from 24 ℃.
But some winter, I traveled and left for about 1 week.
Meanwhile the most low water temperature has been set to 22 ℃ by mistake.
When I return to a house, only G.zebrinus has developed white spot disease in Gastromyzon kinds.
White spot disease is a parasitic disease of Ichthyophthirius multifiliis, but that appears by the immunity power decline of fish by low water temperature.
G.ctenocephalus, G.scitulus and G.ocellatus didn't develop the symptoms.

On the other hand, I'm guessing as G.ocellatus is weakest in high water temperature.
They're often pasted on a fall pipe of water from the upper part. The water temperature of the part is slightly low.

White spot disease of G.zebrinus.
The white dot disease was cured when I raised water temperature.

odyssey wrote:Selamat malam, borneosucker. Terima kasih!

Oh man, you can speak malay too? Nice

Thanks for sharing your experience. Interesting.

borneosucker wrote:Hi guys,

And in addition, I did some simple water parameter test in their natural habitat, you can view the results at my blog >>> http://borneosucker.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... ucker.html

Regards,
BorneoSucker

I see. Now, can you make a quick jump where macracanthas live and do that for Clown Loaches? Kidding.

Great pictures.

Superb!!

I see. Now, can you make a quick jump where macracanthas live and do that for Clown Loaches? Kidding.

Haha, if I know where to find them in the wild, I can do some test.....lol, they occur in Kalimantan rite? I guess it's way too far...

o yes. can I send you a list?
I have informations about export/transport/import. here in zurich all is ready for a max of 50 boxes
I told you about a friend travelling: came back with news about a new hillstream loach. I'll see the pictures next sunday.
cheers charles