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breeding gastromyzon, summary of an article, 1st part

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:36 pm
by ch.koenig
hi all
as promised :)

About the breeding of gastromyzon few facts are known. That’s why the following summary of observations made earlier are still of importance.
The articles about the breeding of gastromyzon by Philipp Dickmann have been published in „Das Aquarium-Magazin“ in 2001. As the magazine doesn’t exist any more, I’m happy that the publisher of the „online aquariun-magazin" has let me the articles. thanks a lot.

The author presents two species: gastromyzon punctulatus and monticola., which are scitulus (as far I can judge by the pictures) and auronigrus (confirmation by H.H. Tan). The confusion is due to the fact that before the revision by H.H. Tan in 2006 correct identification was just luck.
First part
Gastromyzon scitulus: the author collected them in february/march 1992. no specimen smaller than 1 cm were found.
A big problem was the sexual dimorphism: mesures were taken and put into charts. Drawings show the differences. all observations are confirmed by the facts in "The Borneos Suckers"!
A pair was placed in a 30 lt tank, together with two halfs of a flowerpot, three boulders and some swimming plants; strong aeration, no filtering system.
Good feeding with living and frosted mosquito larvae etc in the next months.
The temperature was raised to 28° during a period of 8 weeks and maintained for about 3 weeks. Then the temperature went up to 32° accidentely. During this peroid feeding was intensivated.
After a first mating a water change with 20° was made to cool down to 25°. In combination with a low pressure active front the spawning began.

At least 100 eggs were released, smaller than 1 mm, waxy, solid, clear, glaced over in the middle and sinking to the ground; later becoming whitish.
The adults were taken out of the tank.
After three days the hatching begun, the fry was about 3 mm long, glaced and very thin; dark pigmentation on the end of head and caudal fin base. They were photophobic.
After three days, infusoria were given as artemia were to big.
All got lost after 3 weeks due to rotten plants.

The spawning is shown with exellent drawings: a sort of „show-swimming“ forming an eight by the male; clinging together with lateral interlocked bodies; swimming up to a vertical suface and releasing eggs and sperm. After that the female had a whitish secretion at the sides. The adults were „not much“ after the eggs.
Conclusion: gastromyzon are free spawners with sinking eggs, which didn’t stick much.

I hope to have given some new ideas or at least the confirmation to be on the right path.
second part in a while :lol:
cheers charles

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:45 pm
by Graeme Robson
Much appreciated! 8)

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:53 pm
by plaalye
Thanks for sharing Charles, very interesting indeed. I'm again surprised by the high temp. The last reading that borneo sucker took was in that range. Maybe it's the breeding season?

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:49 pm
by Jim Powers
Thats very interesting!!
It sounds as if they spawn similar to Sewellia.
Thanks for sharing!!

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:33 pm
by Emma Turner
Many thanks for this Charles, very interesting! 8)

Emma

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:59 am
by janma
Very interesting, something that should be tested.

After all resent posts regarding the temps of the habitats of Gastromyzons, I think that the temperatures in the species index should be changed. People might be keeping them in too cool.

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:31 am
by ch.koenig
hi janne
I don't think so. take the situation in an "average" tank: standing the whole year on the same spot, with a heater keeping the same temperature the whole lifetime of a fish. that's not good at all, not for breeding, not for a long life. there should be a change indicating 19°-24° as limit with the urgent advice to change seasonally as best and easiest way to keep them. for breeding we'll see how much the difference must be. in any case it wouldn't be good to take the summertime peaks as the normal range, remember that they are living in fast water. in a tank you would have a problem at 28° in some days just because of bacteries etc working. my impression is that they like the changes from day to night temp. just join light and heater. for breeding it needs a constant going up of temp, holding it. but that's only one factor.
if you want to see more
http://www.iten-online.ch/klima/asien/m ... nabalu.htm
and look at this!!! what a fish!
http://siamensis.de/fundorte/files/tag- ... -spec.html
cheers charles

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:41 am
by janma
I understand, but still think the range should be something like 22-26C. And to mention that they can stand higher temps, so people wont freak out when in summertime the tanks temp rises over 24C.

When saying joining light and heater, you mean on the timer? That is not a bad idea, never thought about it. Think I'll have to try that.

Thanks for the links, have to read at home. Work computer blocks the :(

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:45 am
by ch.koenig
yes janne that's right. about temp the moderators will decide,
and now back to work. a beautiful white marble stone is wating for me.
cheers charles

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:56 am
by farid
hello there,
i wonder how much degrees Celsuis a ocellatus can take with enough oxygen?? what are your max temperatures keeping gastromyzons?

i guess i might have about 26-27 degrees at the moment as it is really hot...they all do fine while sewellias spawn 8)

cheers for your infos

farid