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Video of high flowing river tank *Pics added!

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:19 am
by Vancmann
Ok folks, here are some short videos of the river tank in motion. Although the new tetras have adjusted to the tank, the loaches have not, atleast not during the day. The tank still needs some tweeking and final decoration.

These tetras love surfing the current.
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=4 ... d5.1646644
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=4 ... d5.1646631

The loaches like hanging out here all night when I or no one else is around. I feel like they have gone wild all of a sudden and they dont like me no more. :cry: JK
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=4 ... d5.1646705

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:22 am
by Vancmann
If the Videos are too small, you can click on one of the three video icons to the right.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:56 am
by Graeme Robson
Cool little vid's! The night video is interesting with the eyeballs swimming around. :D

Your tank looks in good shape also!

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:44 am
by Emma Turner
Great stuff! :D The tank looks really cool and the fish are obviously enjoying themselves. If I were you, I'd add a blue moon light tube to the tank so that you can view the loaches better in the semi-darkness. :wink:

Emma

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:36 pm
by chefkeith
Excellent job.
I'd love to see more pic's and video's .

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:28 pm
by Vancmann
Thank you all!! :D I will consider the blue moon light if my loaches continue being shy with me.

Here are some pics ,with and without the ferns, of the top of the spill over. About 1/3 of the dept is under the water level:


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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:37 pm
by Vancmann
Calmer section of the tank with the bio media/filter in the background. Image

Here is the early stages of the tank. The tank and the filter system are not fully decorated and done.
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Pumps setup of two pumps. There are a total of 3 currently.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:53 pm
by Vancmann
Here is the main attraction at the moment. These two species absolutely loves the current it seems. They head over there from the calm section of the tank in about 15-20 minutes after the lights come on and the loaches go in their caves. Then throughout the day, they do the surfing thing back and forth. Kinda reminds me of the day I went sledding.
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Although its hard to tell with a photo, these guys were dancing in the current when I took this pic.
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Conclusion!

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:03 pm
by Vancmann
Advantages of tank
The tank is a high flow 1550 Gallons Per Hour through the system.
Although the flow amount is high is not turbulent and both sections of tank turn over water at high rate. The back (~22 gallons) turns over 70 times an hour and the front (~65gallons) turns over about 23 times an hour.
Filtration is great; a large amount of water passes over the bio media per hour. Also, the water is much clearer, with little or no debris, substantially less than my 120 with the wet/dry setup
Most fish absolutely loves and enjoys the current.
The separation of the tank into two parts seems to give the fish more personal space and great boundaries, especially useful for territorial loaches.



Disadvantages as of now:
Visible filtration is unsightly.
Part of the tank is used for filtration
Too much of the tank is occupied by air. Good for wider variety of plants but less swimming space.

Adjustments to be done:
Raising the level of water by about an inch. Although the pumps will still push 1550 GPH, the flow of the tank water and the amount of times the tank water turns over in an hour will be reduced.
Covering up the filter section with a dark acrylic.
Although filtration takes up tank space, it will remain. The main reason is due to the fact that a lot of water (mostly all) passes through the filters and the whole system is contained in the tank. So far, the fish have no complaints.


I feel very satisfied with the results of the project and I am already thinking of my next tank design to allow the same or higher flow with longer distance between pump intake and exit. At the moment it is almost 10 feet.
1550 Gallons Per Hour sounds like a lot and it sounds turbulent but I have found out that it isn’t. After this experiment, I honestly think that the smallest stream flows over 5000 GPH. With my river tank, a pre-filter sponge is used to buffer the turbulent flow of the pumps so there are no jets of water at high pressure pushing through the tank water. The fall is about 2.5 inches deep and little over 3.5 inches wide (eyeballed). If I raise the tank water level above the line where the water falls through, there is more space for the fish to swim/jump through. All the fish, except the male Megalamphodus megalopterus (Black phantom tetras) really appreciate the flow of current through the whole tank. He makes few attempts to go the fall occasionally, hangs out there for about 3-5 seconds but then gets washed towards the right quarter of the tank towards the intake where it is calmer. All the other tetras from the time the lights comes on and the loaches go into their caves do the surfing thing, back and forth. Reminds me of the sledding I did recently.

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:08 pm
by Mark in Vancouver
That's rather good. I'm kind of amazed that the flow isn't more turbulent given the difference in water levels between the two sections. Great to see yet more loach innovation here!

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:26 pm
by Vancmann
If I lower the water level, so that the water falls instead of flow over from the rear section it gets much more turbulent. The the lower the water has to fall, the more turbulent it gets. I might try it one day.

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:35 pm
by brett_fishman
yea, have a nice 8" waterfall in your tank.. :P

-brett.

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:43 pm
by Vancmann
That would be real nice if I could do it. Unfortunately, the center piece of this tank, would not be able to hold the pressure of that much water built up on one side.

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:58 pm
by brett_fishman
i know, i know..but that'd be neat..not sure if the fish would like that though..

how high is it now? would it hold up to a 4" drop?

-brett.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:03 pm
by Vancmann
At the moment it will not be able to hold that much pressure. I initially planed the tank for the flow of water and not a fall so I used 1/8" thick acrylic that is 5 feet long. At that length it is real flimzy. Think of a concrete dam, the higher the water is in the dam the more force the concrete has on it. If the water in the dam was only 1 inch higher then there would not be any need for major concrete. In my tank, every inch in height on rear side means a guestimate difference of about 2 gallon of water . One gallon is about 8 lbs. Four inches would equate to 64 lbs of force total and the ends would not hold this. Prolly 2.5 inches difference between the rear dam water level to the lower section is tops.