Loach ID

[noahm]

I saw at my lfs what looked similar to a black kuhli, but very thin and slightly longer. Also, they were a bit more grey/brown than choco, and the back 1/3 of the body is slightly speckled. Sorry, no pics. Maybe 1/8" diameter tops, and about 3 " long. There are several, and the help had no idea what they were.

Thanks.
Noah

[Mark in Vancouver]

Pangio javanicus?

[Graeme Robson]

Pangio javanicus?

If only!!

[noahm]

Aha. I am quite certain (90%) that it is Pangio muraeniformis. I guess I failed to look through all the pics. Well if anyone is interested, there are several in my lfs in Oregon. I am pretty stocked right now, would it be worth getting them? Are they hard to find ?

Thanks,
Noah[/i]

[noahm]

I have gotten confusing results. Looking at the lol species index, it seems for sure it is P. muraeniformis, but also looks like P. shelfordii on fishbase. Are they synonyms? P. muraeniformis also shows up as all kinds of stuff on other sites. It looks just like the P. muraeniformis on lol. ???[/i]

[Graeme Robson]

Our Species list is a bit out of date at the moment. Pangio anguillaris fit's the description.



Or have a look here. http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?t=1729

[noahm]

I think it is P. anguillaris. They seem to have a more prominent midline stripe and through the caudal fin. How big can they ultimately get? 3-4"?
any experience with them is helpful. I may get them after all.

Thanks,
Noah

[Graeme Robson]

These generally grow to 4 inches but they are a slim Pangio. Normal rules apply, smooth substrate with a couple of shelters around. Most often than not these Pangio's burrow alot with just there head showing. Most foods accepted, but remember that these have small mouths so basically smaller sized foods are the better.

[palaeodave]

Pangio javanicus?

If only!!

Why the excitement over P. javanicus? Whats the difference between them and standard "black kuhli's"? I only ask because when I did an image search for P. javanicus all the pictures looked like what my LFS has a whole tank full of. On a related note, they've managed to keep a full shipment of kuhli's alive for months now. In their experience if you get a shipment of fully grown kuhli's there will be a high mortality rate, but if you order them small almost all of them survive.

[noahm]

Thanks Graeme for all the info. I am still debating whether to get them. I have 7 regular kuhlis and 2 blacks already, My load is pretty ideal now, but i imagine 5 or six wouldnt't add too much to my 45 as they are so thin.

Thanks,
Noah

[Graeme Robson]

No excitement, just me thinking Mark was talking about the Pangio pangia. The Pangio javanicus is a synonym of the Pangio oblonga. Or is that the other way round?

[palaeodave]

Ah the ins and outs of systematics (I'm currently trying to get my head around identifiying extinct species of soldierflies, so I'm in no mood to chase up kuhlis!)