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Post by KamikazeBen » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:40 am

Long post.

Why hello there, fine folks of Loaches Online. I am KamikazeBen, a newcomer to these parts. Over the past two or so years, the 55 gallon tank that I got for free from a friend has gone from a Bolivian Ram tank, to a very diverse tank, to a...well, not as diverse tank. I accquired the tank in high school, when I worked at (argh.) Petsmart, which contributed greatly to my initial fish fanaticism. Then, off to college I went, leaving the maintenance to my father, who has experience in the hobby, Its current stock is something like this:

31 Neon Tetras (The "Tetracloud" as my dad calls it.)
3 very, very fat Corydoras catfish.
1 rotund (you'd be a pig if you had a buffet like this, too) bristlenose plecostomus.
3 Botia Striata, zebra, tiger, whatever they were called at the LFS loaches. They are great, and are very active, constantly snuffling.
1 Angelicus botia (b. Kubo?)
5 Clown Loaches, three extremely fat, but shy four/five inchers, and two relatively new "store-fresh" friends, who are much more active, and
1 Giraffe Catfish

Over the time I've had this tank, I've had fish come, go, bought some, sold some, some fish died, my Bolivian Rams try incessantly to spawn, and basically a year and a half of me being a fervent new enthusiast without any real patience or sense of direction. Filtration on this tank has been provided by an impossible-to-kill, but very aged Eheim 2213 Classic cannister filter, as well as a supplemental Aquaclear 250 which hangs on the front, and an emperor 280 Bio-wheel, all of which are at least examined every week, accompanying the weekly 60% water change.


And so, after making the decision to stay home this semester, in light of the well-paying full time job, I've got my fish to look after. And spoil.


To say that I need a lot of help and direction is rather an understatement. Weeks after reading the River manifold article, and having needed an implimentation for my twin Penguin 1140 powerheads, I built one, and buried it, and today it functions wonderfully, giving something for my botia to play in. I consider it the first step on my road to recovery, this curious piece of undergravel innovation. If I didn't have a planted tank, it wouldn't clog up so dang fast, but, such is the price I'm going to pay, for now at least.

So folks, my goal is this:
Provide a good home for my loaches right now, trimming the fat in any area that I need to, and, dear god almighty, spending a good chunk of my first paycheck on at LEAST adequate filtration. (I'm eyeing the EHEIM Professional II Cannister. It's expensive, but I think my fish deserve much better than a jury-rigged combination of three filters, and I'll be leaving the 2213 running as a backup.) and slowly build the tank up to something glorious and planted.

Like I said, I was very impatient with this tank, adding and subtracting things a LOT at first, but I like to think I've evened out, and I'm going with the flow.

Things I need to know:

- Will the Neon Tetras be appropriate to keep in a loach tank? Simply, is there any harm having such a big number of them? My father loves them, and quite frankly, the schooling dynamics are hypnotizing to watch.
- Is there anyone that I need to get rid of? I'll put it simply: I love the clown loaches the most. They are my darling little nocturnal children, and I seek to have a decent group of them in varying sizes before I (hopefully in the NEAR future) make the jump to a 75 gallon or larger sized tank.
- Yes, I am a fool by fishkeeping standards, and you are welcome to laugh at me, or point out my greivous present errors. Just post advice as well, if you can bring yourself to.
- Is there a specific kind of food that you all feed your loaches? I've been feeding them as varied a diet as I can of off the shelf prepared foods, supplementing with frozen bloodworms and brine shrimp, as well as watermelon and cucumber that I rubber band to a rock every two or three days.
- Why the heck do Clowns like watermelon so much, speaking of which? I have never seen so much dancing and clicking in my LIFE. :shock: :oops: :oops: :oops: :roll: :wink: :D :arrow:
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Post by shari2 » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:24 am

Welcome Ben.
Are you a journalism major? nice story.8)

Yes, neons are ok with clowns. I'd love to see 31 of them in a tank myself.
As for getting rid of fish? With the exception of the giraffe cat (which I know nothing about, I'd say what you have is compatible. The only major issue I see is that you're stocked maybe a little too high (I am a chronic understocker).
Also, yes, those clowns will need a larger tank than your 55...
Sounds like you are feeding foods they like. 8)
Why they like watermelon? Dunno. They just do. . .!

If you can get a couple of pics (especially of your cloud!) put them up. Loaches stuff here, other fishes in the freshwater forum.

and now, why would I be laughing at you???? :P
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Post by Mad Duff » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:42 am

Everything sounds fine apart from the Giraffe Catfish, a Giraffe will try and eat things that it really cant (common sense in a fish would be wonderful). I have had 4" Giraffe's try to eat a 3" bristlenose and all that happened was the bristlenose died and the Giraffe had a badly damaged mouth. I am surprised you haven't already lost neons at night :?
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Post by Pixelated_Pirate » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:43 am

Well it sounds like you've done some research and you love clowns. That's always a good start. Aside from what people post in this topic, also check out previous topics on the forums and archive.

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Post by KamikazeBen » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:20 am

Mad Duff wrote:Everything sounds fine apart from the Giraffe Catfish, a Giraffe will try and eat things that it really cant (common sense in a fish would be wonderful). I have had 4" Giraffe's try to eat a 3" bristlenose and all that happened was the bristlenose died and the Giraffe had a badly damaged mouth. I am surprised you haven't already lost neons at night :?
This is actually a dwarf giraffe catfish, according to the store I bought it from. His maximum size is only about two and a half inches, and he's a little vacuum cleaner, only coming out at night, sticks to the bottom only, and leaves all the other fish completely alone; I've never even seen him TOUCH another fish, much less look at anyone hungrily. They did have a tank full of BIG Giraffes at the place I go to, and I have to say, those guys are hilarious looking, and if I weren't doing a loach tank, I'd be trying to find an excuse to have a few.

Knowing how the fish industry works, he's probably not even a real giraffe catfish, and he's some kind of hillstream loach. :lol:

Problem: Apparently Eheim Professional II's are unfindable in my area, at least at a price under 300 bucks, is there anything in particularly wrong with the Rena Filstar line of products? I was looking into Eheim Eccos and the Fluval FX-5 as well, just because overboard filtration is apparently the name of the game.

Problem2: Does organic matter tend to clump on plants? I almost want to call what I'm seeing some kind of algae, but it doesn't come off when I rub the plant's leaves or attempt to wash it. I'll snap some pictures when I get home, so you all can see what I am talking about.
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Post by Diana » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:52 am

Pics will always be welcome, either to boast (and you have a lot to boast about) or for ID purposes. Lets find out what that 'Giraffe Cat' is!

I see at least 2 tanks here:
The Rams and Neons are not going to be happy in a tank with as much water movement as the Loaches like. I would plan the 75 with the Loaches in mind, and keep the 55 about like it is, plenty of filtration, but not in any one direction.

I use multiple filters on most of my tanks. I can clean one filter really well, but leave the others, that way you are not damaging the nitrifying bacteria population too much with any one cleaning.
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Post by sophie » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:08 am

I love my fluval canister.
not sure if that was on-topic or not.
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Post by Mad Duff » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:20 pm

A picture of the Giraffe cat would be a good idea, if it is a Dwarf Giraffe Catfish - Anaspidoglanis macrostoma then these fish even though called dwarf can still get up to 9" and will happily take smaller tank mates and can be quite territorial. They are a nocturnal feeder but can be coaxed out during the day and they will eat pretty much anything.

Here are a couple of links to info and images of Anaspidoglanis macrostoma

http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/anasp ... ostoma.htm

http://www.planetcatfish.com/cotm/cotm. ... cle_id=150
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Post by KamikazeBen » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:12 pm

Hey, Duff, that really doesn't look very much like my catfish. The bottom picture is rather similar in general 'look,' but the coloration is much more pale, and the whiskers are nowhere near as pronounced. My guy's body is a lot more 'fat'. Perhaps it's a morph of some kind? It's not easy to get pictures of him, because he rarely comes out, and only when the aquarium light is off, so maybe I'll go down to the FS where I got him and snap a picture of the little guys in the tank. They get regular shipments of this kind of thing a lot, so perhaps this is something that hasn't been circulated much? Heck, let's just get pictures all around. That's what you guys need anyway. :P

Actually, now that I remember, they had Giraffe cats that look exactly like what you linked me to in a seperate tank. Something here is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Diana wrote:Pics will always be welcome, either to boast (and you have a lot to boast about) or for ID purposes. Lets find out what that 'Giraffe Cat' is!

I see at least 2 tanks here:
The Rams and Neons are not going to be happy in a tank with as much water movement as the Loaches like. I would plan the 75 with the Loaches in mind, and keep the 55 about like it is, plenty of filtration, but not in any one direction.

I use multiple filters on most of my tanks. I can clean one filter really well, but leave the others, that way you are not damaging the nitrifying bacteria population too much with any one cleaning.
The Rams are no longer with me, as of a few months ago. Sorry if the context was confusing; I tend to write like crazy. I found someone who wanted all five of them for a project tank, and last I heard, they ACTUALLY succeeded in spawning. The Neons are a different story; I have a lot of little dead zones in my tank as far as current goes, courtesy the big gnarly piece of rootwood smack dab in the middle.

AND RE: EVERYONE:

YES, I will try to take some pictures. I'm on my lunch break right now, but when I get home for the day, I'll snap a few shots, and try to capture the majesty of Tetrafleet!
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