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the kitchen has had to come up to standard, so they've been in to upgrade the work tops and units totally redecorate take the old boiler out and replace it with a combi boiler completely re-tile the floor, and finally to put more plug sockets in.
it's been a pain in the bum, but i have to admit it looks great now, they just have a few more things to do and we can get back to normal, and all the tanks will be set up again.

mick

Ahh okay mate.

mickthefish wrote:i still like the botia family best though but this fish has got alot of character about him, it comes up to the tank to have a nosey at his keeper. mick

Please pardon my newbie ignorance; but I thought Clowns were a part of the Botia family?

they are tender, what i meant was the botias from India like almorhae, dario, striata, kubotai, they are all in the genus Botia.
i'm not very good at explaining but i hope this has a little.

mick

mickthefish wrote:they are tender, what i meant was the botias from India like almorhae, dario, striata, kubotai, they are all in the genus Botia.
i'm not very good at explaining but i hope this has a little.
mick

I`m not quite sure if I follow you
So what you ment was Botia from a specific/geographic location?
In that case i wonder about ex. Kubotai? As far as I know they don`t come from India, do they? I thought they came from Burma (Myanmar)?

I don`t mean to argue here I`m just interested in learning

Marius

your right the kubotai do come from Myanamar but the are in the genus of Botia, at one time alot of these fish were just listed as botia but now they've been brocken down into different genus as they foung there was something slightly different about their physiology.

mick

So what you meant is that you prefer a particular genus whitin the family Botia? Am i correct?

spot on mate.
before i kept them i used to go to piggy's house as he had some gorgeous Botias, i think my favourites of his was the histrionicas they were at least 7 inches long and as clean as a whistle.
like you i'm just getting into this type of fish, at first i was lost but i'm getting a better understanding of them plus i'm a fairly quick learner, especially with the help of LOL as there's a huge wealth of knowledge here that is not written in books.

mick

The Clown loach, formerly Botia macracanthus, has been given a genus of its own and is now called Chromobotia macracanthus as it didn't fit in with any of the other botiine genera.

This is what Mick means when he says other Botia's.

thanks mate, i luvs you.

mick

Graeme Robson wrote:The Clown loach, formerly Botia macracanthus, has been given a genus of its own and is now called Chromobotia macracanthus as it didn't fit in with any of the other botiine genera. This is what Mick means when he says other Botia's.

Initially the phrase was " still like the botia family best though "
and that was the reason for my question

But the conclusion is: Clowns are a Botiine species, but they are theyre own separate genus.

Have I understood it correctly now?

Just to confuse things even more......

Within the order Cypriniformes, are the superfamilies Cyprinoidea (carp-like fish) and Cobitoidea (loach fish). Cobitoidea is further split into several families: botiidae, cobitidae, balitoridae, nemacheilidae, and vaillantellidae. The families are then broken down into genera. Botiidae contains the genera Botia, Chromobotia, Leptobotia, Parabotia, Sinibotia, Syncrossus etc.

Until recently, the family was known as botiinae (not botiidae) and these loaches were referred to as 'botiine' at that time, and now they are 'botiid'.

Hope this helps,

Emma

Oh thanks Emma??????

Now my simple brain is even more confused

The Clown is a Chromobotia? What family does it belong to?

Yes, the clown loach is of the genus Chromobotia (it is the only representative of this genus), which is from the family botiidae.

Emma

Then it`s a bit like the game Monopoly: "go back to the start"
Clowns are a fish within the Botia family.

Thanks for the help, and crarification, everyone