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oliv wrote:recently I try to receive a hybrid capable to transfer low temperatures, our Russian winter, I work with Misgurnus fossilis, can be the Clown will help also

Are you saying that you are attempting to hybridise Misgurnus fossilis with Chromobotia macracanthus?

Emma, it is completely two different sorts, though also one families, all not so is simple, the hybrids frequently appear impractical even inside one sorts
My task to not receive hybrids, and to achieve the new proof forms and paints
As I shall do it a trade secret
In any case on it there leave many years of work

you are trying to breed clown loaches that dont need to be so warm, using misgurnus fossilis to help?

there is no need to try and make a more decorative fish - the ones we have through natural breeding are very beautifull and dont need to be changed

For Marcos Mataratzis

http://www.hotbox.ru/download.php/?file ... r=olivandr

The hybrid in the age of 2 weeks has 5 strips, at not of a hybrid only 4, the rate of growth of a hybrid in 3-4 times is faster

helen nightingale wrote:you are trying to breed clown loaches that dont need to be so warm, using misgurnus fossilis to help?

there is no need to try and make a more decorative fish - the ones we have through natural breeding are very beautifull and dont need to be changed

1 Not necessarily
2 I so do not think

oliv wrote:

helen nightingale wrote:there is no need to try and make a more decorative fish - the ones we have through natural breeding are very beautifull and dont need to be changed

2 I so do not think

I think you are in a very , very small minority there. No need to alter the species at all via hybridisation. In fact I still find it shocking that you are doing so and feel the need to do so. So far I have yet to see a convincing reason (either by yourself or others in the trade who do this) for this practice.

Natural hybrids are one thing but man-made is wrong.

I find this very disheartening

As someone who has naturally spawned 3 species of loach including Y. sidthimunki I can see the merits and wholeheartedly accept the need for hormone induced spawning to ease pressures on wild stocks and in the case of Y. sidthimunki even rescue from extinction.

But to now use this technology to hybridise related species is just wrong and more so to create colour variations and finnage variations is an abomination, for me this venture is purely motivated by greed and money and without a second thought for the fish we love and care so much about.

I do not want with anybody to argue, let everyone will agree to differ, it is a science, she goes forward, and anybody will not prevent me to do the business, to you fifteen years sold hybrids from Russia and then and from Czechia, will be and further to sell, only you will not know about it, and will accept all for a clean coin!

oliv wrote:I do not want with anybody to argue, let everyone will agree to differ, it is a science, she goes forward, and anybody will not prevent me to do the business, to you fifteen years sold hybrids from Russia and then and from Czechia, will be and further to sell, only you will not know about it, and will accept all for a clean coin!

We do know about it, we have known about it, and I personally (as someone in the trade) avoid loaches from Eastern Europe. Word will spread and others that weren't so aware will do the same if they have any ethics.

Emma

I think that even the most amateur can tell a hybrid Clown/Yo-Yo Loach from a Pure bred Clown....
Oleg , can I ask why do you personally cross the two species (or any other for that matter)? What are the gains to both yourself and other breeders who do this? I really mean no disrespect but to me you have lowered yourself to one of the lowest possible levels of fish ethics. Many on the trade will look upon what you do with contempt and condemn your actions if you and others were to continue this line of unethical work.
Rather than make monsters , why not attempt to breed fish that are either extremely hard to breed or are rare in the wild. The money to be made there is surely more than making monster fish and is long term and the fishkeeping community would embrace it. Continue along the lines you are by making hybrids and we won't because as long as we have people like Emma and others who can import and trade fish that aren't from sources like yourself then we can rest easy.

It as a joke about the militarian, when it have reproached with dullness, it has answered: If you such clever civil, why on growth do not go???
I necessarily shall show to you Emma, that will turn out when the hybrids will grow up, and I shall ask photos of fishes of work of the familiar selectors, I think half of photos from your site you remove

have'nt you guessed Doc,
the big one, money money money.
and really oliv and the other people should be hybridized with a chimp and see how they feel then.

me and piggy have been saying this for years now,
but such good fishkeepers like Mark and Martin have them in their tanks.
all this is doing is carrying this thing on longer than it should.

mick

mickthefish wrote:have'nt you guessed Doc,
the big one, money money money.
and really oliv and the other people should be hybridized with a chimp and see how they feel then.

me and piggy have been saying this for years now,
but such good fishkeepers like Mark and Martin have them in their tanks.
all this is doing is carrying this thing on longer than it should.

mick

In Russian, is greater of similar words, which you are worthy

youv'e lost me oliv.?

mick

If I put what what I want to put then I risk starting global warfare so this is the mildest way I can put it...

He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot