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Emma Turner wrote:I'd say that the halfbeak is likely to be an unsettled-looking (and hence pale) Nomorhamphus liemi . It is the most common halfbeak found in the trade and usually gets erroneously labelled as the Celebes halfbeak.

Emma

Seeing that you are you and I am, well, me, I would say you are probably right, but I wouldn't have thought it. Not that it really matters if we know (its a little off topic), but I found some pictures to compare and thought I'd share. Dermogenys sumatrana on wikipedia. You can see it on the right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfbeak
And a picture of Nomorhamphus liemi on fishbase
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Species ... p?id=24752

Of course I have to just trust that the photos are what they claim to be because I do not have other sources to help me confirm that.

TammyLiz wrote:Seeing that you are you and I am, well, me, I would say you are probably right, but I wouldn't have thought it. Not that it really matters if we know (its a little off topic), but I found some pictures to compare and thought I'd share. Dermogenys sumatrana on wikipedia. You can see it on the right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfbeak
And a picture of Nomorhamphus liemi on fishbase
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Species ... p?id=24752

Of course I have to just trust that the photos are what they claim to be because I do not have other sources to help me confirm that.

I'm going by the very informative book "Aqualog: All livebearers and halfbeaks" (ISBN 3-931702-77-4). The photographs depicting Dermogenys sumatrana show fish with much longer 'beaks' than can be seen in mikev's photograph. The body shape fits with Nomorhamphus liemi, and it is the 'usual' halfbeak seen in the trade. The photograph mikev has posted is unfortunately quite blurred, but I'd still bet these were N. liemi, just very unsettled and pale. I could be wrong though! A fish with a similar body shape and colourless fins and beak is N. celebensis, but these aren't so commonly seen. Either way, I don't suppose it matters too much if the fish concerned have disease problems....

Emma

TammyLiz wrote: I wouldn't mind having a few of those...it is unfortunate that they are sick.

**Maybe** things are not as bad as it seemed yet.

After some lengthy arguments, I convinced the store to pull them off from sale into quarantine and a week of drugs. Hopefully, I chose the combination of drug to use correctly...if so, you may have a few to chose from (there are about 35 there right now). I'd be less worried about Septicemia than a couple that had slight discolorations areas...maybe the patchy thing, maybe not. Minocycline is part of the coctail to deal with it.

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Sorry for the quality of the picture. It is a very inconvenient environment to make pictures and this fish stays in the back corner. I was not trying to ID it, for the patchy disease purposes one only would like to see a very approximate classification. Whatever the fish is, I'm certain after seeing it again that it is not well, discolorations are there.

Emma Turner wrote: I'm going by the very informative book "Aqualog: All livebearers and halfbeaks" (ISBN 3-931702-77-4). The photographs depicting Dermogenys sumatrana show fish with much longer 'beaks' than can be seen in mikev's photograph. The body shape fits with Nomorhamphus liemi, and it is the 'usual' halfbeak seen in the trade. The photograph mikev has posted is unfortunately quite blurred, but I'd still bet these were N. liemi, just very unsettled and pale. I could be wrong though! A fish with a similar body shape and colourless fins and beak is N. celebensis, but these aren't so commonly seen. Either way, I don't suppose it matters too much if the fish concerned have disease problems....

Emma

I would suspect, then, that the Wikipedia picture could be mislabled, or they could be young females...which would explain the shortness of the "beak" in that picture, which was partially why I thought they looked like mikev's picture. It sounds like a good book you have there, Emma. I had a hard time finding pictures of many of the halfbeaks online.

Interestingly, I found another source of alleged H.Zollingeri. I'll try to investigate this further and get some pics.